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PostSubject: Re: Genesis   Wed 08 Oct 2008, 20:06

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Entangled's structure of verse/chorus song followed by a crescendoing instrumental... somewhat remeniscant of Newborn? Smile I love this connection between two of my utmost favourite bands

Ah...that makes more sense actually...I was thinking it referred to the structure of the intstrumental, not the whole song, but now I get it. Though there are no vocals at the end of Entangled.

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Yeah... Script for a Jester's Tear was rather insulting.

Did you ever hear Grendl? I think it was a B-side, but they more or less took Apocolypse in 9/8 and made it into 4/4...with disastrous consequences.

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PostSubject: Re: Genesis   Thu 09 Oct 2008, 09:01

I quite like Script for a Jesters Tear and some of that early Marillion is pretty good IMHO. Some of it's complete junk. I agree with the Grendel comments. A bit pisspoor isn't it? A pretetious 20 minute re-hash of Supper's Ready.
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PostSubject: Re: Genesis   Thu 09 Oct 2008, 09:15

Don't forget Fish's shockingly awful sixth-form poetry - a travesty when compared with Gabriel's and Banks' lyrics

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PostSubject: Re: Genesis   Thu 09 Oct 2008, 09:39

Hear hear! Even the title Script For A Jester's Tear makes me wince. They totally miss the humour of Genesis (in fact I think Genesis's concerted efforts to be taken less seriously in the latter years of their career harmed them quite a bit in the long run); Supper's Ready, as epic as it is, was never meant to be taken that seriously - even the title is tongue in cheek.
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PostSubject: Re: Genesis   Thu 09 Oct 2008, 10:00

I saw Marillion live back in '82 I think. maybe '83.

Supporting was Peter Hammill. Just Hammill, a drum machine and guitar with occasional EBow. What a glorious cacophony he created - a punk/prog/avant garde/pretentious/scary brilliance. Blew me away, so I am grateful to Marillion for having PH as support. Can't remember if they themselves were any good .

Actually thinking back, I seem to remember thinking that Market Square Heroes was OK, after that all downhill. Never really understood the Genesis comparison thing though, couldn't see it myself.

Back to the topic, I have to agree that A Trick Of The Tail is seriously underrated. Tis a lovely record. Going to listen to it now!
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PostSubject: Re: Genesis   Thu 09 Oct 2008, 17:07

I don't think Trick has a duff track on it, to be honest. I know Gabriel has his fans but for me 1976 was the year they started to sound really good on record; there seemed to be a more consistent sound and, technically at least, Collins was a much better singer (although I preferred his vocals from Duke onwards as there seemed more feeling in them).
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PostSubject: Re: Genesis   Thu 09 Oct 2008, 19:34

Title track is the only slightly duff one for me...and did you see the video, cheese heaven!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AryXkeAoCec

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PostSubject: Re: Genesis   Fri 10 Oct 2008, 12:20

Oh, Genesis videos are infinitely harded to defend than the music! (Always liked the vids for Jesus He Knows Me, I Can't Dance and No Son Of Mine, though.)

If I had to pick a track to lose from the Trick album, it would be Robbery, Assault And Battery. It's a bit too busy for me, like a truncated Battle Of Epping Forest (and I didn't care much for that track either!). The title track, though, is infectious and bouncy. I've always meant to do a copy of the album for myself, adding It's Yourself to the track listing, but I've never quite been sure as to where it would be best placed.
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PostSubject: Re: Genesis   Fri 10 Oct 2008, 12:24

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I've always meant to do a copy of the album for myself, adding It's Yourself to the track listing, but I've never quite been sure as to where it would be best placed.

It was going to be put on the new remasters, but the band themselves couldn't decide how to put it in, so I wouldn't worry too much about it. It's supposed to segue into Los Endos, so it starts after the title track ends, but you'd have to lose the lush, delicate ending for it to work.

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PostSubject: Re: Genesis   Sat 11 Oct 2008, 07:55

Unlike Genesis to revisit an album to re-insert a B-side. I like the ending of It's Yourself as it is and agree it would be a shame to lose the end section with all the backward masking.
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PostSubject: Re: Genesis   Thu 23 Oct 2008, 19:48

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There was a post on the Genesis forum regarding Elbow's mention of them on the Radio 1 session in March. I am a member there and it kind of prompted me to start this forum.

Waiddaminit... that was me! Woohoo! *high five*
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PostSubject: Re: Genesis   Thu 23 Oct 2008, 22:32

Yes it was!

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PostSubject: Re: Genesis   Tue 28 Oct 2008, 08:43

I listened to all my Genesis-Records the other day and must say I like most of it, from the old proggy years to the art-pop stuff in the later years.
But my fave Genesis-records are the older ones:
Trespass, Lamb lies down on broadway, Trick of the tail, Wind and Wuthering.
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PostSubject: Re: Genesis   Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:32

The new remasters are out very soon! I'm very excited as all the albums in this box set are stonkers and it's been a long time coming...

http://www.genesisbox3.com
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PostSubject: Re: Genesis   Wed 29 Oct 2008, 21:29

Yeah, me too, still trying to get the best price though. Zavvi is looking cheapest at the moment.

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PostSubject: Re: Genesis   Sun 04 Jan 2009, 18:50

http://www.bbc.co.uk/musictv/progbritannia/

this link above leads to more links to the programmes being shown on bbc4 as part of the "prog at the bbc" series.

Genesis are on again tonight...

the Prog Britannia documentary (repeated on tuesday, and on iplayer) which started the series was better on the genre than I thought it would be, though still some glaring omissons...but was mles better than that "timeshift' prog documentary of a couple of years ago anyway, the one that had John Peel contradicting himself and the smug Shaar Murray nauseating talk.
At least this documentary has managed to get some interesting interviews, and the contributions from Phil Collins, Mike Rutherford and Tony Banks might just sway me to take more interest in post Gabriel Genesis.
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PostSubject: Re: Genesis   Mon 05 Jan 2009, 12:37

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the Prog Britannia documentary (repeated on tuesday, and on iplayer) which started the series was better on the genre than I thought it would be, though still some glaring omissons...
I really enjoyed it too.

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but was mles better than that "timeshift' prog documentary of a couple of years ago anyway, the one that had John Peel contradicting himself and the smug Shaar Murray nauseating talk.
I agree with that. Shaar Murray was as nauseating and pompous as the worst excesses of prog. I am in general a fan of good prog but even I admit that a hell of a lot of it was self indulgent tiresome drivel. At it's best it is utterly glorious. I notice Shaar Murray didn't say anything abut the dire side of punk which was just as awful as bad prog (or any other musical genre for that matter).

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At least this documentary has managed to get some interesting interviews, and the contributions from Phil Collins, Mike Rutherford and Tony Banks might just sway me to take more interest in post Gabriel Genesis.
Hmmm. 'A Trick of the Tail' and 'Wind and Wuthering' excepted the rest is rather patchy with usually a couple of really good tracks surrounded by the poppier commercial errr...tat....for want of a better word.
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PostSubject: Re: Genesis   Tue 06 Jan 2009, 08:34

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Hmmm. 'A Trick of the Tail' and 'Wind and Wuthering' excepted the rest is rather patchy with usually a couple of really good tracks surrounded by the poppier commercial errr...tat....for want of a better word.

I'd have to say that And Then There Were Three... is a really underrated Genesis album, containing really only one commercial song (Follow You Follow Me). It's one of my favorites, despite Steve Hackett's absence. Burning Rope is an amazing song, and the new remasters have brought it to life, as the original mix was bloody awful.

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PostSubject: Re: Genesis   Tue 06 Jan 2009, 09:09

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I'd have to say that And Then There Were Three... is a really underrated Genesis album

Actually, on second thoughts I think I'd agree with that. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Genesis   Tue 06 Jan 2009, 16:08

I just think that Peter Gabriel is a great singer/songwriter/artist whatever!!! He's amazing!!
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PostSubject: Re: Genesis   Tue 06 Jan 2009, 19:50

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I just think that Peter Gabriel is a great singer/songwriter/artist whatever!!! He's amazing!!

Undoubtedly he is, but he was in no way the only songwriter in early Genesis.

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PostSubject: Re: Genesis   Wed 07 Jan 2009, 17:04

Genesis are one of my all time favourites.

Bands that at a certain stage of your life mean a lot to you: for me it's Slade (I was only 11), Genesis, Queen, Aztec Camera, The Smiths, Prefab Sprout, REM, Arcade Fire & Elbow

I started with Nursery Cryme and (sadly) lost interest after Duke.

I'm showing my age now but I remember seeing them with Peter Gabriel at a reunion concert / festival at the Milton Keynes Bowl (late 70s early 80s ? Talk Talk were one of the support bands, can't remember anything else)

I last saw them at Blackpool on the Duke's Travels tour and then drifted away when Abacab was released.

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PostSubject: Re: Genesis   Wed 07 Jan 2009, 19:29

The concept of Genesis going shit after Peter left or even after Steve left is ridiculous, of course. They all contribute to what makes them great. I know I constantly say it, but there is good music on every Genesis album, even if it is alongside some poor stuff. The argument of And Then There Were Three being the sell-out is the most stupid one; as you guys have said, it is largely a progressive, synth dominated record with only Follow You Follow Me smelling things up a bit. Sadly that songs seems to unfairly represent the record most of the time.

I like ranting about Genesis, it's an indulgence. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Genesis   Sat 28 Feb 2009, 20:26

I've just absconded from the Genesis forum. I've been a fan of Genesis since Selling England, but I didn't get to see the band until the W&W tour in 1977. I like the old stuff and the band kind of left me behind after And Then There Were Three

With the release of the Platinum Collection, then the TIOA tour in 2007, I've started enjoying all their albums. I still find WCD a bit of a tad dull though.

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PostSubject: Re: Genesis   Sun 01 Mar 2009, 01:28

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I still find WCD a bit of a tad dull though.


In that case you should listen to CAS...WCD livens right up after that.

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